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Engine noise and internals

Ticking noise from the top of the engine

Ride with careAlso called: tappet noise, valve tick, top end tick, noisy tappets

Feeler gauge blades
Feeler gauge blades
Adjusting a valve with a ring spanner and screwdriver
Adjusting a valve with a ring spanner and screwdriver
Valve shims of different thickness
Valve shims of different thickness
Go and no-go feeler gauge for valve clearance
Go and no-go feeler gauge for valve clearance
Cam lobe above a shim and bucket
Cam lobe above a shim and bucket
Valve shims of different thicknesses
Valve shims of different thicknesses

A light, regular tick from the cylinder head that follows engine speed is most often the valve clearance (the small gap between rocker and valve) being too large. It can also be an exhaust leak at the head, a loose spark plug, or on overhead cam engines the cam chain. A light tick is normal on many engines with screw adjusters. A tick that gets louder, or a new sound after work on the engine, needs checking.

Is it safe to ride?

Usually yes, gently, for a short distance. Stop if the tick turns into a knock, a clatter or a loss of power.

Quick checks first

  • Is the oil level correct? Low oil makes the top end noisy.
  • Is the spark plug tight? Touch the plug cap; a loose plug puffs and ticks.
  • Is the exhaust nut at the head tight? Look for soot streaks at the port.
  • When did it start: after a service, a long ride or a fall?

Diagnose it step by step

1Is the oil level between the marks?

2With the engine idling, hold a long screwdriver handle to your ear and the tip on the head near the valve caps, then near the exhaust port. Where is it loudest?

  • At the exhaust port or along the pipe, with a puffing feel: go to Ticking or puffing from an exhaust leak.
  • At the valve caps or head cover: go to step 3.
  • Lower down on the cylinder, or a heavier knock: go to step 6.

3Is the tick at half engine speed, light and metallic, and does it stay the same when warm?

  • Yes: this is typical of valve clearance. Go to step 4.
  • No, it is a fast rattle loudest at idle on an overhead cam engine: go to Rattling noise from the cam chain area. (The K-Light 125 is a pushrod engine with no cam chain.)

4Check the clearance cold with Check and adjust valve clearance. Was one or both gaps larger than the manual value?

  • Yes: set it. Ride and listen. If the tick is gone or much quieter, the job is done.
  • No, the gaps were correct: go to step 5.

5Did the gap close up again quickly, or was a rocker very loose or worn?

  • Gap closes up: the valve is sinking into a worn seat. Low compression may follow. Go to Assess the top end (cylinder, piston, valves).
  • Rocker or pushrod worn, or a valve spring broken: workshop. The K-Light manual lists wrong valve clearance and a damaged valve spring as the causes of head noise.

6Is it a rattle on acceleration that goes when you ease off?

Causes, most likely first

Cause How to confirm Fix
Valve clearance too large Feeler gauge at TDC, cold Check and adjust valve clearance
Low oil Dipstick or sight glass Check the engine oil level
Exhaust leak at the head Soot at the port, puffing Find and fix an exhaust leak
Loose spark plug Plug turns by hand Remove, check, gap and fit a spark plug
Cam chain slack (OHC only) Rattle at idle near tensioner Check the cam chain and tensioner
Worn rocker, pushrod, cam or broken spring Noise remains with correct gaps Assess the top end (cylinder, piston, valves)
Clearance too large on a shim-type engine Feeler gauge cold, reading above the manual range A thinner shim. Shims can be swapped between valves to save buying new ones

Reference values (K-Light 125)

Item Value PDF page
Valve clearance, inlet and exhaust, cold 0.05 to 0.07 mm 202

Related problems

Sources
  • K-Light 125 manual, PDF pages 203, 202
  • MAVCC Motorcycle Mechanic, PDF page 671

Values marked K-Light 125 are for that reference bike. Use your own bike's manual for its values. Text CC BY-SA 4.0, Transitions Lab.