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Brakes get weaker when hot

Do not rideAlso called: brake fade, brakes go soft down hills, brakes stop working after long use

A pair of disc brake pads
A pair of disc brake pads
Reservoir cap marked with the brake fluid type to use
Reservoir cap marked with the brake fluid type to use
Master cylinder reservoir: check the fluid level and colour here
Master cylinder reservoir: check the fluid level and colour here
Drum brake shoes and backing plate: worn or glazed shoes weaken braking
Drum brake shoes and backing plate: worn or glazed shoes weaken braking
Front disc brake with the axle nut labelled: a warped disc pulses
Front disc brake with the axle nut labelled: a warped disc pulses
Caliper piston removed: it must be smooth and unpitted
Caliper piston removed: it must be smooth and unpitted

After long or hard braking, for example down a long hill or in stop-start traffic with a heavy load, the brakes get weaker. There are two kinds. Fluid fade: the lever goes soft and travels further, because old brake fluid with water in it boils and makes vapour bubbles. Friction fade: the lever stays firm but the bike does not slow, because overheated pads or shoes lose grip. Drum brakes also fade because a hot drum expands away from the shoes.

Is it safe to ride?

When it happens, stop as soon as it is safe, and let the brakes cool for several minutes. Do not ride on until the cause is fixed, because it will happen again on the next hill.

Quick checks first

  • After cooling, does the lever feel normal again?
  • Look at the fluid colour: dark brown?
  • Spin each wheel after cooling: does one drag?
  • Do you hold the brake on for long periods instead of using lower gears on hills?

Diagnose it step by step

1When the brakes faded, did the lever or pedal go soft and travel further?

  • Yes: fluid fade. Go to step 2.
  • No, it stayed firm: friction fade. Go to step 4.

2Is the fluid dark, or has it not been changed within your manual's interval?

3Does a brake drag, so it heats up even when you are not braking?

4Is it a drum brake?

  • Yes: drums fade more than discs. Check the shoes for glazing and the drum for blue heat marks with Service a drum brake. Use engine braking on hills.
  • No: go to step 5.

5Are the pads glazed, or of an unknown or very cheap make?

6Is the disc blue, glazed, or near its thickness limit?

  • Yes: a thin disc holds less heat. Check a brake disc.
  • No: check riding: change down a gear on long hills so the engine helps, and use both brakes firmly in short applications instead of dragging one.

Causes, most likely first

Cause How to confirm Fix
Old fluid with water in it Soft lever when hot; dark fluid Replace brake fluid and bleed the brakes
Dragging brake Wheel hard to spin; hot disc after easy ride Check for brake drag
Holding brakes on long hills Happens only on descents Use lower gear, brake in firm short bursts
Glazed or poor pads or shoes Shiny surface; firm lever but weak New pads or shoes
Thin or glazed disc Below limit, blue Check a brake disc
Hot drum expanding Drum brake, long descent Engine braking; check shoes and drum

Related problems

Sources
  • K-Light 125 manual, PDF page 65
  • MAVCC Motorcycle Mechanic, PDF page 540
  • Unit 2 The Motorcycle, PDF page 43

Values marked K-Light 125 are for that reference bike. Use your own bike's manual for its values. Text CC BY-SA 4.0, Transitions Lab.